MIRROR: Mrs. Urbach, you have written a book about her grandmother, Alice. It comes to life in the Vienna of the twenties, to espionage, celebrities, crimes of the national socialists – and an impressive biography. They know how captivating it would be when you started to write?
Urbach: Not at all. My grandmother died in 1983 at the age of 97. She lived in the United States, came in the summer holidays in their old home, also visited me and my parents. I have you as resolute, patent, and very modest in memory. A cute, cuddly grandma who never talked about it, what has she done anything in your life. I underestimated you completely.
MIRROR: How did you get the idea for the book?
Urbach: About Detours. Actually, I wanted to know more about my father Otto: He worked after the war in West Germany for the American secret service. But his files are locked, you can only research a very little. Then I received the family correspondence of my grandmother and me, it was clear that Alice had a much more interesting story.
MIRROR: Alice Urbach, 1886 in Vienna to a bourgeois Jewish family was born, made after the First world war, a difficult marriage and the early death of her husband, as a mother of two small sons with a cooking school on their own – and quickly became a local Institution.
Urbach: They invented the first Austrian service for hot food, and half of Vienna ran learned in her cooking. You consorted with local greats such as Sigmund Freud’s daughter, Anna, or “Bambi”author Felix Salten. This took me completely by surprise, at first I couldn’t believe it at all. It was then published in 1935, in Ernst Reinhardt publishing a book: “So you cook in Vienna! A cooking and housekeeping book, starting with good bourgeois cooking”. 500 pages with everything she had learned about the Austrian cuisine, strudel, apricot dumplings, Tafelspitz – it’s a Bestseller with three editions up to 1938, was. But after Hitler’s Austria in 1938, “connected”, had had to emigrate Alice to England. And the publishers robbed her of her book.
MIRROR: In the autumn of 1938 the book of an author by the name of Rudolf Rösch was released in the same publishing house: “So you cook in Vienna. A cooking and housekeeping book, starting with good bourgeois cooking”. You say plagiarism?
Urbach: Yes, the publisher has Alice’s book in the Wake of the repression and persecution of the Jews clearly were “aryanised”. You have used a different author than the straw man, some passages have been deleted, or any other skillfully paraphrased, but the whole Chapter and all the photos taken. The annotated Alice herself later dry: “But my Jewish hands in the photos were there.” It is 60 percent of plagiarism. Under the author’s name, Rudolf Rösch, Ernst Reinhardt Verlag sold the book, and several licenses to 1966. Alice had, of course, is nothing.
MIRROR: What is the Reinhardt Verlag, the is more to say about it?
Urbach: You say, large parts of their archives were lost in the turmoil of the war and that they had no documents more about Alice. But I have a doubt: you published to your publisher, anniversaries 1974 and 1999, two fonts, which were based on archive material of the pre – war and war time.
MIRROR: Apart from the eye: What evidence do you have that the cooking was linearized book?
Urbach: In his Festschrift, 1974, Alice’s publisher writes: “After the annexation of Austria, I saw myself compelled to search for the cook book, a new author, because Alice was Urbach Jew and the cookbook would not have been otherwise able to be sold.” Alice even joined in 1949, in a Vienna bookstore on the Rösch-issue and knew immediately that it was her work. You went to the publisher and introduced him to the speech, without success. With 95 years of cooking in American TV shows, and spoke in Interviews again and again from your book that you’ve stolen her. But the publisher-in-law.
MIRROR: The MIRROR reported in April 2019 in the case, Ludwig Reiners, the abkupferte for his style book of the German language in Jewish authors – and a Bestseller landed. A particular case was not Alice, apparently.
Urbach: Yes, this was a method that has not been researched until today. Man of steel is simply the intellectual property of Jews, as well as to steel their cars, businesses or homes. I have found several cases, in different publishing houses, in the technical book area. In a Protocol of the De Gruyter publishing house established in 1939, it quite succinctly: “In the case of non-Aryan books to check how far a new edition of the members will be out.” Many of the publishers were Jewish books now as inferior. The börsenverein of the German book trade had already secures 1933 the Reich government, the arrangements in the “Jewish question… without Reservation” to carry out. It has adapted immediately to the new System and begun to dispose of Jewish authors.
MIRROR: How did your grandmother with the loss of your book?
Urbach: She called the book her “third child” and has a long time to get hoping back to it. But she did not break. I admire that in her: how she managed to start again. During the war she worked in England a refugee camp for Jewish children from Germany. Later, they had to start in the United States once again from the very bottom. Were added to her trauma: her son Charles had been in the concentration camp of Dachau, before it Otto managed to get together with friends at the last Minute to get him in the USA. Alice’s sisters Sidonie and Karoline were murdered in Theresienstadt, the trace of their sister Helen was lost in the ghetto in Lodz.
MIRROR: How have you found all of this out? There was so much historical documents in your family?
Urbach: Helped me that in Alice’s family, much was written: your father wrote the book “The Viennese Jews,” and memories of the Bratislava ghetto. Alice herself has written a small autobiography, a few pages only, but, of course, helpful. Her brother, Felix wrote several novel fragments with autobiographical elements. And there were letters. As I had to search once begun, I found more and more, and also got in contact with old ladies who had cared for Alice once in England as a child.
MIRROR: They were Amazing: The Italian Emilio Pucci, who had studied with Otto in the United States and with whom he was friends, was the mistress of Mussolini’s daughter Edda.
Urbach: Puccis unusual love life proved to be for the American secret service as very useful. Otto’s girlfriend, Cordelia Dodson, managed Minister at war, to procure with Puccis help important documents: the diaries of Eddas husband, count Ciano, Mussolini’s foreign. They played then in the Nuremberg trials a role. Cordelia worked for the U.S. secret service, the OSS under Allen Dulles, the later CIA chief. About you I would have found like out even more, but also your files are locked.
MIRROR: As you aufrollten so-surprising family history – what was in them?
Urbach: I was able to overcome the history of my family to pursue, was like a liberation. All of these things were unspoken, I knew only a fraction. In the book I wanted but not a dreary sound. I wanted the book to be exciting, instead of maudlin.
MIRROR: Maudlin it is definitely not. But you can see between the lines their anger about the handling of Alice.
Urbach: That’s right, I’m angry about it. I don’t want any financial compensation – my point is that the publisher admits, what he has Alice done. It is a big success would be, if you would excuse after the last 80 years.